Drug Pushers have no Conscience

bigDog said:
I would rather that my kid doesn't do bangi. I would rather not have a pedler in my kids school gate. Nikipata yeye natumana kazi kwa @Pamba 1 personally. That's 10 years behind bars mkubwa. Some of us take it that seriously.
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Hapo unapeleka mtoi 'group of schools' My fren what these kids does in boarding schools is crazy and very wrong...so many schools got 'Mtu wa makali' huwa kwa box...you do a random search hata hamwezi pata any!We get such info from former students.
 
Elgin said:
Hapo unapeleka mtoi 'group of schools' My fren what these kids does in boarding schools is crazy and very wrong...so many schools got 'Mtu wa makali' huwa kwa box...you do a random search hata hamwezi pata any!We get such info from former students.
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I know they will experiment with phombe and phangi. Been there, done that! What I don't want is a pedler at school gate selling cheap drugs to my kid. I want that msokoto to be so expensive that the kid can't maintain the habit. I get it that drugs will always be there, but I don't want a small mistake on my kids part to condemn him to total living hell.

I'm have been involved in rehabilitating addicts. It's not fun.
 
bigDog said:
I would rather that my kid doesn't do bangi. I would rather not have a pedler in my kids school gate. Nikipata yeye natumana kazi kwa @Pamba 1 personally. That's 10 years behind bars mkubwa. Some of us take it that seriously.
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I have not said watoto wavute bangi or take drugs. In fact, ata UK kids are not given prescribed drugs until a certain age.

Hakuna dawa mzuri.
 
Field Marshal said:
But if you worked in the health sector you would know that bhangi is what is called an initiation drug. First year watoto wanavuta bhangi wakichana. Then they graduate to brown sugar for a bigger high. By the time they get to pure cocaine and heroine half the crowd is dead...
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True, its often the gateway drug to harder substances and often peddled by the same person.
 
Field Marshal said:
But if you worked in the health sector you would know that bhangi is what is called an initiation drug. First year watoto wanavuta bhangi wakichana. Then they graduate to brown sugar for a bigger high. By the time they get to pure cocaine and heroine half the crowd is dead...
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It's inevitable that kids will experiment with drugs at some point. We've been there and done it.

It's up to us parents to counsel our children properly so that they stop at the experiment stage.
 
bigDog said:
Yes it does sir. I have a neighbour that's on a parmanent vegetative state kwa sababu ya phangi. Different people will have different reactions to bangi but I don't want my child anywhere near it. I take phombe but I will also stop him from getting it until he is an adult. That's not negotiable!
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I've seen alcohol doing much harm than kiombitho.
 
Aviator said:
It's inevitable that kids will experiment with drugs at some point. We've been there and done it.

It's up to us parents to counsel our children properly so that they stop at the experiment stage.
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You will note that we are talking about pedlers on school gates. That's what the OP wanted us to discuss. I will not have any pedler near my kids school! If you sell drugs to my kid, I will get you jailed.
 
Tiiga Waana said:
Pray tell how do you know they are on experimental stage and haven’t breached and wadded into dangerous territory?
Drugs are a no no to me. A dangerous slippery slope often times with no comebacks. All the more better untried.
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Some people are not serious or don't have kids. I need your kid to grow right. My son won't marry my daughter. It's in my interests to have your daughter brought up in the right way. I also have a daughter and expect to get a respectable son in law.

Can we have such if we allow that corner drug pedler? I think not!
 
bigDog said:
Some people are not serious or don't have kids. I need your kid to grow right. My son won't marry my daughter. It's in my interests to have your daughter brought up in the right way. I also have a daughter and expect to get a respectable son in law.

Can we have such if we allow that corner drug pedler? I think not!
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You got me wrong.
I DO NOT SUPPORT DRUG USE IN ANY FORM. And I hate peddlers probably much more than you do.
My point of argument was "Marijuana causes irreversible harm to a kid's future". There I still disagree coz I would be irreparably harmed if that was the case.

I have also learned that marijuana is just an initiation drug, and may open a highway to the hard drugs world. Whereas that is a possibility, it's not automatic. Am saying this with reference to other drugs commonly used, including tobacco and alcohol.

Personally, I have taken alcohol in one form or another for kitu 20 years. I have never gotten to the point of wanting a higher"higher" that demanded an alternative drug. So that denounces the argument that one drug use leads to need for a harder drug.

All said, peddlers should never be allowed anywhere near our schools. Bit if I found my son with a roll, I would not hang him by the balls. I would instead talk him out of the habit and recognize that it was ok, almost automatic, that he would want to experiment with that one roll.
 
Aviator said:
Personally, I have taken alcohol in one form or another for kitu 20 years. I have never gotten to the point of wanting a higher"higher" that demanded an alternative drug. So that denounces the argument that one drug use leads to need for a harder drug.
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Two quick ones:
@Aviator, aren’t you here using your good self as the universal standard of human reactions to drugs? We are all individually unique and have different predispositions to stimuli. How you react is different and unique from everybody else. Haven’t you heard of idiosyncrasies? There are countless number of people whose lives have and could be lost to a “soft” drug which might be harmless to you. The prudent thing to do, in my opinion, is to remove the stimulus.

Another point I would like to make is that I am never comfortable with people who hides behind “alcohol and cigarettes are worse drugs” than marijuana. This is because what they should do is approach their Legislative Representatives to express those opinion with a view to making appropriate laws.

The other observation I have noticed about you and please take it with all the kindness is that you are a middle of the road kinda Guy. You never seem to get outraged by many outrageous behaviours. Some time back you discussed how you would be ok with your teenage kid engaging in sex. Remember? My question is, where do you draw the line? Where are your red lines?
 
Tiiga Waana said:
Two quick ones:
@Aviator, aren’t you here using your good self as the universal standard of human reactions to drugs? We are all individually unique and have different predispositions to stimuli. How you react is different and unique from everybody else. Haven’t you heard of idiosyncrasies? There are countless number of people whose lives have and could be lost to a “soft” drug which might be harmless to you. The prudent thing to do, in my opinion, is to remove the stimulus.

Another point I would like to make is that I am never comfortable with people who hides behind “alcohol and cigarettes are worse drugs” than marijuana. This is because what they should do is approach their Legislative Representatives to express those opinion with a view to making appropriate laws.

The other observation I have noticed about you and please take it with all the kindness is that you are a middle of the road kinda Guy. You never seem to get outraged by many outrageous behaviours. Some time back you discussed how you would be ok with your teenage kid engaging in sex. Remember? My question is, where do you draw the line? Where are your red lines?
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I was a teacher and will retire into teaching (hopefully). But it bothers me when I see a good kid wasted. In primary school, I had this kid rival who we competed with throughout. He was a good person, very obidient. As good a kid that you would ever like to have. Never used to experiment with sigara and phombe like I did. Lakini siku moja, he went to a school huko (censored) and experimented with cocaine. He overdosed and died. His dad has always been deflated. A broken man. There is pain and then there is PAIN!
 
Tiiga Waana said:
Two quick ones:
@Aviator, aren’t you here using your good self as the universal standard of human reactions to drugs? We are all individually unique and have different predispositions to stimuli. How you react is different and unique from everybody else. Haven’t you heard of idiosyncrasies? There are countless number of people whose lives have and could be lost to a “soft” drug which might be harmless to you. The prudent thing to do, in my opinion, is to remove the stimulus.

Another point I would like to make is that I am never comfortable with people who hides behind “alcohol and cigarettes are worse drugs” than marijuana. This is because what they should do is approach their Legislative Representatives to express those opinion with a view to making appropriate laws.

The other observation I have noticed about you and please take it with all the kindness is that you are a middle of the road kinda Guy. You never seem to get outraged by many outrageous behaviours. Some time back you discussed how you would be ok with your teenage kid engaging in sex. Remember? My question is, where do you draw the line? Where are your red lines?
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Well you raise valid points.
I will address the personal one touching on me.

Unlike most people, I like being realistic. And it's all based from experience. What has worked before can work today.

For example I had my first pussie at 16. I smoked a roll around the same age. I never put on a seatbelt until Michuki (RIP) introduced them. And am still alive and a productive member of the society. What makes us think that if our kids did the same, they will die?

Also consider this. My grandpa was polygamous. His wives were all circumcised. And all generations before that were basically the same.

Point is, I find some of these arguments bordering on activism. No real danger/benefit per se. Let kids try drugs. Let them have sex. It is all part of growing up. And you know what they say about a kipii who doesn't drive mubara when young?

That said and done, the primary role of a parent is to guide their offsprings to be upright and morally fitting in the society.
 
Aviator said:
Well you raise valid points.
I will address the personal one touching on me.

Unlike most people, I like being realistic. And it's all based from experience. What has worked before can work today.

For example I had my first pussie at 16. I smoked a roll around the same age. I never put on a seatbelt until Michuki (RIP) introduced them. And am still alive and a productive member of the society. What makes us think that if our kids did the same, they will die?

Also consider this. My grandpa was polygamous. His wives were all circumcised. And all generations before that were basically the same.

Point is, I find some of these arguments bordering on activism. No real danger/benefit per se. Let kids try drugs. Let them have sex. It is all part of growing up. And you know what they say about a kipii who doesn't drive mubara when young?

That said and done, the primary role of a parent is to guide their offsprings to be upright and morally fitting in the society.
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Do you have kids?
 
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