Cert of GC wont be available tomorrow

Meria

Meria

Elder Lister
The Directorate of Criminal Investigations notifies all applicants for the Police Clearance Certificate (Good Conduct), who were scheduled to visit the *HEADQUARTERS* tomorrow that our services shall be unavailable.

The applicants are advised to visit on any other day between Tuesday and Friday. Any inconvenience caused is deeply regretted.

#FichuakwaDCI 0800 722 203.
 
Meria said:
if its criminal related record remains. Can't be erased
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This is totally unfair. Imagine you did wrong at the age of 18, that record remains even when you die 70 years later, doesn't matter whether you lived like a a saint there after. There should be a given length of time after which the record should be expunged, or at least paroled, if one commits no more crimes.
 
Da Vinci said:
This is totally unfair. Imagine you did wrong at the age of 18, that record remains even when you die 70 years later, doesn't matter whether you lived like a a saint there after. There should be a given length of time after which the record should be expunged, or at least paroled, if one commits no more crimes.
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When I was getting my first cert,at CID along Valley Road,there was an old man who was embarrassed by the neega handing out the certs. Mzee wanted the cert to travel abroad...neega was like wewe huwezi safiri juu hupati certificaye,ulikuwa na kesi ya wizi wa ngombe 1974! That was like 25 years after the fact!
 
Da Vinci said:
This is totally unfair. Imagine you did wrong at the age of 18, that record remains even when you die 70 years later, doesn't matter whether you lived like a a saint there after. There should be a given length of time after which the record should be expunged, or at least paroled, if one commits no more crimes.
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Only juveniles are allowed that. It's called a criminal record for a good reason.

I know of a guy who hired and was mentoring a young man who had a criminal record. The young guy was employed in the production process of my friends FMCG startup. As usual, my friend used to go on sales campaigns with large quantities of products for sales promotions. One day, when my friend arrived back at his premises after a sales promotion, he was bludgeoned to death and his premises robbed. That young man was arrested and charged for masterminding that crime.

Serving a term in prison doesn't mean that a criminal is reformed. I would like everyone to get the correct information through background checks. There are some jobs that are simply too sensitive for people with a criminal.

@Meria, @It's Me Scumbag, @mzeiya, how comfortable would you feel if the school that your daughter attends has a convicted paedophile working as a school nurse, teacher or chaplain?
 
bigDog said:
Only juveniles are allowed that. It's called a criminal record for a good reason.

I know of a guy who hired and was mentoring a young man who had a criminal record. The young guy was employed in the production process of my friends FMCG startup. As usual, my friend used to go on sales campaigns with large quantities of products for sales promotions. One day, when my friend arrived back at his premises after a sales promotion, he was bludgeoned to death and his premises robbed. That young man was arrested and charged for masterminding that crime.

Serving a term in prison doesn't mean that a criminal is reformed. I would like everyone to get the correct information through background checks. There are some jobs that are simply too sensitive for people with a criminal.

@Meria, @It's Me Scumbag, @mzeiya, how comfortable would you feel if the school that your daughter attends has a convicted paedophile working as a school nurse, teacher or chaplain?
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You are citing that one incident to justify a miscarriage of justice? And you knowing very well that there are people who get wrongly convicted and jailed for crimes they never committed? There are repeat and also serial offenders, and those I cannot defend. But if one was convicted only once and they have stayed out of trouble for a good length of time, say 20 years....?
 
Da Vinci said:
You are citing that one incident to justify a miscarriage of justice? And you knowing very well that there are people who get wrongly convicted and jailed for crimes they never committed? There are repeat and also serial offenders, and those I cannot defend. But if one was convicted only once and they have stayed out of trouble for a good length of time, say 20 years....?
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The rate of revidism in Kenya is about 47%. You can't say that what I'm talking about is anecdotal evidence. See link below for the source.

Revidism: person's relapse into criminal behavior, often after the person receives sanctions or undergoes intervention for a previous crime.

Source:
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Da Vinci said:
You are citing that one incident to justify a miscarriage of justice? And you knowing very well that there are people who get wrongly convicted and jailed for crimes they never committed? There are repeat and also serial offenders, and those I cannot defend. But if one was convicted only once and they have stayed out of trouble for a good length of time, say 20 years....?
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I know a neega in Kawangware. Let's call him Ali. Death of breadwinners started his slide into criminality and served stints in jail. Tried reforming but society wouldn't give him a chance. Tried relocating,society,through the police force couldn't give him a chance.
Tried different careers,but still no help from society.
Neega is now in Kawangware after travelling all over trying to make a living.
His chance of reverting to type,the revidism @bigDog is talking about,are quite high.

Edit: Met Ali in Mombasa akiendesha mat za Bamburi. Many moons later,I met him recently in Kawangware being a handy man to a few tenants of some estate in Riruta. All he wants now is to get a job as a building caretaker. But neega has a criminal background as a break and enter thief,who would hire him?
 
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It's Me Scumbag said:
I know a neega in Kawangware. Let's call him Ali. Death of breadwinners started his slide into criminality and served stints in jail. Tried reforming but society wouldn't give him a chance. Tried relocating,society,through the police force couldn't give him a chance.
Tried different careers,but still no help from society.
Neega is now in Kawangware after travelling all over trying to make a living.
His chance of reverting to type,the revidism @bigDog is talking about,are quite high.
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I'm not opposed to giving ex-convicts an opportunity. They should be hired in areas that are least likely to trigger revidism.
 
bigDog said:
The rate of revidism in Kenya is about 47%. You can't say that what I'm talking about is anecdotal evidence. See link below for the source.

Revidism: person's relapse into criminal behavior, often after the person receives sanctions or undergoes intervention for a previous crime.

Source:
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Repeat/serial offenders deserve the mark of the beast. But a single time offender who has not been in the wrong side of the law for a period of time equal to a lifetime?
 
Da Vinci said:
Repeat/serial offenders deserve the mark of the beast. But a single time offender who has not been in the wrong side of the law for a period of time equal to a lifetime?
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It will depend on the offense. A habitual juvenile thief is unsuitable for the treasurers role in your chama.

You can never get top security clearance if you are listed as a bad debtor. We cant completely expunge criminal records for those reasons.
 
bigDog said:
Hapa kwa ground hatuelewi tofauti ya miss-admina na Feron. Tuambie nani anakulaga mwingine! 😁
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Our penal code is based on an archaic form of law inherited from Mbeberu. Unapata ati loitering is a criminal offence. Ferk dat...but for serious offences and I believe felonies are those that attract a custodial sentence of 2+ years, then hapo kuna ujambass. My favourite lawyer @Tiiga Waana can expound though...
 
mzeiya said:
Our penal code is based on an archaic form of law inherited from Mbeberu. Unapata ati loitering is a criminal offence. Ferk dat...but for serious offences and I believe felonies are those that attract a custodial sentence of 2+ years, then hapo kuna ujambass. My favourite lawyer @Tiiga Waana can expound though...
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@mzeiya,
Thanks so much and may I say how humbled I am by your very kind and totally undeserved comments. I need to let you know that I am blushing red with shyness at your titillating words.

Criminal records, you will be surprisingly surprised, are not just a scourge of once colonised countries but also a nightmare to Developed Countries. As a matter of fact, due to complexity and cumbersomeness of record keeping, someone in Kenya is at an advantage than someone in Western Europe or USA where record keeping is an art and a craft.
What is more, there are always avenues to bribe and buy your criminal record way-out here than in the west.

Criminal records especially those of enhanced nature can and continue to be very unfair and unreasonable for people who have truly reformed and also to those who did misdemeanours while they were young and stupid.

Anyhow, here is an article that capture the gist of your very point:
www.google.co.uk

Humiliating, unnecessary, unjust: The criminal record system is the

Almost everyone has broken the law at some point, but 'enhanced disclosure' can make the stigma of a criminal record impossible to overcome
www.google.co.uk www.google.co.uk
 
Tiiga Waana said:
@mzeiya,
Thanks so much and may I say how humbled I am by your very kind and totally undeserved comments. I need to let you know that I am blushing red with shyness at your titillating words.

Criminal records, you will be surprisingly surprised, are not just a scourge of once colonised countries but also a nightmare to Developed Countries. As a matter of fact, due to complexity and cumbersomeness of record keeping, someone in Kenya is at an advantage than someone in Western Europe or USA where record keeping is an art and a craft.
What is more, there are always avenues to bribe and buy your criminal record way-out here than in the west.

Criminal records especially those of enhanced nature can and continue to be very unfair and unreasonable for people who have truly reformed and also to those who did misdemeanours while they were young and stupid.

Anyhow, here is an article that capture the gist of your very point:
www.google.co.uk

Humiliating, unnecessary, unjust: The criminal record system is the

Almost everyone has broken the law at some point, but 'enhanced disclosure' can make the stigma of a criminal record impossible to overcome
www.google.co.uk www.google.co.uk
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@mzeiya kazi kwako...bet ishajileta
 
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