Can't help but compare it to our own SGR

mzeiya

mzeiya

Elder Lister
My favourite construction YouTube channel just uploaded a video on Egypt's ambitious railway project and well, it's a grim reminder that yenyewe tulicheswo with our own ambitious, much needed but sadly, really overinflated in terms of price.

No wonder Kamwana promised to release the contract of the SGR but they can't release it for how badly they overindulged in our taxes.

Anyway, back to Egypt...

In September 2021, a USD $4.5BN contract was signed to give Egypt its first high-speed, electrified rail line.

Running between the port cities of Marsa Matrouh and Ain Sokhna, the 660-kilometre route is expected to cut journey times by up to 50%, transport as many as 30 million people each year and create around 15,000 jobs..

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This is what happens when the leader is an overpromising underachieving alcoholic and is related to fellow scum of the earth.

A total push over who was given ALL THE TOOLS NEEDED TO BE GREAT but still managed to disappoint.

I bet even their funeral will be just as underwhelming as their time with us.
 
mzeiya said:
My favourite construction YouTube channel just uploaded a video on Egypt's ambitious railway project and well, it's a grim reminder that yenyewe tulicheswo with our own ambitious, much needed but sadly, really overinflated in terms of price.
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Tuliambiwa that they can spend any amount they want because it is not supposed to have any profit...it is not designed that way...na watu wakaitwa bonobo
 
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Half the cost of our Sgr was used to compensate land owners. Just like the way an architect would design for you a 400sqm house and say it should cost 50k per sqm ie 20m. But you can't build the house in the air so you go to Karen and get a half acre at 40m to put up the house and the 20m house ends up costing you 60m. Same thing happened with sgr. The land owners over the 500km sgr stretch became overnight millionaires and this was widely featured in the press. So the sgr billions ended up in wananchis pockets huko mashinani.
 
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mkurugenzi said:
billions ended up in "wananchis" pockets huko "mashinani"
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The "wananchi" into whose pockets the billions went to huko "mashinani"

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mkurugenzi said:
Half the cost of our Sgr was used to compensate land owners. Just like the way an architect would design for you a 400sqm house and say it should cost 50k per sqm ie 20m. But you can't build the house in the air so you go to Karen and get a half acre at 40m to put up the house and the 20m house ends up costing you 60m. Same thing happened with sgr. The land owners over the 500km sgr stretch became overnight millionaires and this was widely featured in the press. So the sgr billions ended up in wananchis pockets huko mashinani.
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Kenya's sgr iliingiza costs zingine ambazo our neighbours shunned. The embankments, elevation and viaducts, fencing all the way from Mombasa to Nairobi. But mostly ni hizo umesema, compensation of land owners, but also those extravagant stations that do not seem to be of much use, anyway. I think badala ya hayo yote ni heri wangenunua hizo electrified "slay queen" engines ili wakenya warithike!
 
Da Vinci said:
Kenya's sgr iliingiza costs zingine ambazo our neighbours shunned. The embankments, elevation and viaducts, fencing all the way from Mombasa to Nairobi. But mostly ni hizo umesema, compensation of land owners, but also those extravagant stations that do not seem to be of much use, anyway. I think badala ya hayo yote ni heri wangenunua hizo electrified "slay queen" engines ili wakenya warithike!
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Electrification would have cost another 50b over the 500km. Then it would have been a hullabaloo stima ikipotea and passengers are stuck huko tsavo kwa man eating lions. Diesel electric locomotives that we have were the best option where the onboard diesel generators produce electric power to power the train. Basically we have electric trains that generate their own power and don't depend on the unreliable power grid.
 
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mkurugenzi said:
Half the cost of our Sgr was used to compensate land owners. Just like the way an architect would design for you a 400sqm house and say it should cost 50k per sqm ie 20m. But you can't build the house in the air so you go to Karen and get a half acre at 40m to put up the house and the 20m house ends up costing you 60m. Same thing happened with sgr. The land owners over the 500km sgr stretch became overnight millionaires and this was widely featured in the press. So the sgr billions ended up in wananchis pockets huko mashinani.
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Na wale wanang'oa reli Kibwezi ati hawajalipwa ndo akina nani?
 
hizi ni muguka base opinions on such an important project for this country. Even Ndii the foremost critic of the KE-SGR project; and an econimst to boot alifunga mdomo. His darling SGR project (the Ethiopia electrified SGR) is a continental embarrassment. I'm sure hizo tweets zake ali-futa kitambo.
A few facts that a lot of you will not like to hear and/or admit......
1. KE SGR was a Kibaki conceived project and just going by that, I trust that it will achieve its desired objective.
2. Money was stolen in various ways (Inflation of bills, tax evasion, land compensation fraud) and people are in court because of this.
3. Ke SGR is the only functioning SGR in Africa. ps Nigeria has an SGR similar to ours but the less said about it, the better. Ethiopia hata usiseme. Tz kama kawaida ni mdomo bila actions.
4. The narration that SGR is killing businesses in Mombasa is a lie. look at the data below.
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YoungD said:
hizi ni muguka base opinions on such an important project for this country.
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Ayam just saying Egypt seem to have a much better (Read this 1st) deal and actually if you watch the vid, you will realize that they shunned Chinese investors opting to work with Siemens and German engineers who actually collaborated with Egyptian firms including the overall head of the project. Morocco did something similar too and TZ is projected to have a much more valuable deal with theirs.

Project iko sawa lakini kuna pesa ilikulwa. If not so, why isn't the contract public to this day?
 
YoungD said:
hizi ni muguka base opinions on such an important project for this country. Even Ndii the foremost critic of the KE-SGR project; and an econimst to boot alifunga mdomo. His darling SGR project (the Ethiopia electrified SGR) is a continental embarrassment. I'm sure hizo tweets zake ali-futa kitambo.
A few facts that a lot of you will not like to hear and/or admit......
1. KE SGR was a Kibaki conceived project and just going by that, I trust that it will achieve its desired objective.
2. Money was stolen in various ways (Inflation of bills, tax evasion, land compensation fraud) and people are in court because of this.
3. Ke SGR is the only functioning SGR in Africa. ps Nigeria has an SGR similar to ours but the less said about it, the better. Ethiopia hata usiseme. Tz kama kawaida ni mdomo bila actions.
4. The narration that SGR is killing businesses in Mombasa is a lie. look at the data below.
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if everything was inorder, why the secrecy on the contract?
 
Did you people ask to see the thika rd contract, ngong rd contract, olkaria geothermal contract, arror dam contract, liwatoni floating bridge contract, lamu port contract etc? Why are you always interested in the sgr contract?
 
mzeiya said:
Ayam just saying Egypt seem to have a much better (Read this 1st) deal and actually if you watch the vid, you will realize that they shunned Chinese investors opting to work with Siemens and German engineers who actually collaborated with Egyptian firms including the overall head of the project. Morocco did something similar too and TZ is projected to have a much more valuable deal with theirs.

Project iko sawa lakini kuna pesa ilikulwa. If not so, why isn't the contract public to this day?
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Much better is relative, we cannot punch above our weight you know. Egypt is not a poor country, their GDP is 3 times ours. They do not require loans to implement their projects.(just for perspective, the Suez canal brings in $1 billion every year.) Now do you think Egypt can/will make the contract for the SGR public?? What about TZ, has it availed the SGR contract to the public?
you say; TZ is PROJECTED to have a much more valuable deal with theirs..........what does that actually mean? what is the total cost of their SGR(land acquisition, rolling stock and the SGR, does their SGR deal include training etc?). Remember that they are yet to complete 250km Dar- Moro almost 4yrs later, there is no connection to the port(marshalling yard is 90km away) and their SGR seems to be mainly passenger. Electrification too is a pipe dream with the hydropower project suffering delays - currently it's over 400days behind schedule.
 
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