more on songs about TVET

[wrongturn]

stolen from wandia njoya fb

I was in conversation with a young Kenyan about education. So the young Kenyan says: TVET would be good for young Kenyans to avoid unemployment, because I've seen the advantage it has brought to young people at home.
So I ask: can you give an example?
The Kenyan says: there was a young man who went to TVET for a capentry course, but couldn't complete due to lack of fees. So he went and worked under another fundi to complete his skills, and now he's working and earning a living. So TVET can help young people.
Then I said: actually that story is not about TVET. It's about the need for apprenticeships. If the young man learned his skills well enough under another fundi to do the work, then we should be allowing apprenticeships to be a form of qualification.
Offer qualifying exams the way we do for driving. People go sit the test, if they pass, they get a certificate, instead of insisting that the certificate must come from a college. And the point isn't to say "you can't do fundi work unless you have a license and passed the exam." A driving license is not proof that you are a good and experienced driver. It is that you know the basics about signs and keeping left. That's why PSV drivers have to have driven for a while.
So people cynically sneering at the driving test are people who miss the point of skills. Skills are improved with practice over time. Not with classrooms and certificates. That's why the TVET discourse is so dishonest. The middle class deludes itself that fundis are made by schools rather than by practice and expert mentorship.
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This here, is why I've been saying that the school system educates us to be so narrow minded and unable to think outside the schooling system. Why can't we have other forms of qualification for professional skills, other than going to a college or a school? That's the question which the 3% refuse to ask, and refuse to answer. The 3% are taught to treat colonial education like religion, so they treat skills gained outside the school system like religious zealots treat blasphemy.
The other day I heard about how expensive it is to be admitted to the bar. There are no KUCCPs bursaries for the poor to study for the LLB at the university, but not for them to attend Kenya School of Law. And every year the advocates pay 20k. What else is that other than gatekeeping and denying access to the poor to become lawyers? And making legal fees artificially expensive?
I hope 98% Kenyans realize that the middle class is full of bs. Middle class doesn't care about "quality" education or a curriculum relevant to the market. What they really care about is gatekeeping. That's why they are lining up at bookshops to buy frivolous books for CBC.

 

[Mongrel]

stolen from wandia njoya fb

I was in conversation with a young Kenyan about education. So the young Kenyan says: TVET would be good for young Kenyans to avoid unemployment, because I've seen the advantage it has brought to young people at home.
So I ask: can you give an example?
The Kenyan says: there was a young man who went to TVET for a capentry course, but couldn't complete due to lack of fees. So he went and worked under another fundi to complete his skills, and now he's working and earning a living. So TVET can help young people.
Then I said: actually that story is not about TVET. It's about the need for apprenticeships. If the young man learned his skills well enough under another fundi to do the work, then we should be allowing apprenticeships to be a form of qualification.
Offer qualifying exams the way we do for driving. People go sit the test, if they pass, they get a certificate, instead of insisting that the certificate must come from a college. And the point isn't to say "you can't do fundi work unless you have a license and passed the exam." A driving license is not proof that you are a good and experienced driver. It is that you know the basics about signs and keeping left. That's why PSV drivers have to have driven for a while.
So people cynically sneering at the driving test are people who miss the point of skills. Skills are improved with practice over time. Not with classrooms and certificates. That's why the TVET discourse is so dishonest. The middle class deludes itself that fundis are made by schools rather than by practice and expert mentorship.
*
This here, is why I've been saying that the school system educates us to be so narrow minded and unable to think outside the schooling system. Why can't we have other forms of qualification for professional skills, other than going to a college or a school? That's the question which the 3% refuse to ask, and refuse to answer. The 3% are taught to treat colonial education like religion, so they treat skills gained outside the school system like religious zealots treat blasphemy.
The other day I heard about how expensive it is to be admitted to the bar. There are no KUCCPs bursaries for the poor to study for the LLB at the university, but not for them to attend Kenya School of Law. And every year the advocates pay 20k. What else is that other than gatekeeping and denying access to the poor to become lawyers? And making legal fees artificially expensive?
I hope 98% Kenyans realize that the middle class is full of bs. Middle class doesn't care about "quality" education or a curriculum relevant to the market. What they really care about is gatekeeping. That's why they are lining up at bookshops to buy frivolous books for CBC.

Huko ulaya wanaitwa journeymen

 

[Mwalimu-G]

You put up a compelling argument for apprenticeships but you fail to take cognizance of certain facts. The TIVET school offers better exposure to the latest technologies available in any trade that individual corner workshops may not offer. While most workshops may have basic equipment like planes, chisels and clamps they will most likely cannot afford specialized equipment like lathes, thicknessing and drilling machines that improve efficiency and lower the cost of the final product, making it competitive in the market. Most street corner workshops have to outsource some of the services like turning bed legs, skills that will not be available to their apprentices while trainees in the TIVET will be exposed to these from as early as the craft stage. The TIVET institution offers a centralized place where all the modern equipment is concentrated for training.

I hope 98% Kenyans realize that the middle class is full of bs. Middle class doesn't care about "quality" education or a curriculum relevant to the market. What they really care about is gatekeeping.

I think that you are placing blame on the wrong demographic. It is not a problem of class but of lack of foresight and co-ordination between planners. The problem is with curriculum developers who sometimes do not work in tandem with economists. They should be able to determine which sectors of the economy will need which skills in five, ten or twenty years.
For some time, for example, there was stigma attached to technical work with most young people opting to go and do "soft" liberal arts courses. As a result, even as late as five years ago you couldn't get a good plumber or electrical craftsman when you needed one.
Numbers are picking up as the government continues to popularize technical education in TIVETs as opposed to young people joining the aviation colleges to study mass communication. It will be well.

 

[Mongrel]

You put up a compelling argument for apprenticeships but you fail to take cognizance of certain facts. The TIVET school offers better exposure to the latest technologies available in any trade that individual corner workshops may not offer. While most workshops may have basic equipment like planes, chisels and clamps they will most likely cannot afford specialized equipment like lathes, thicknessing and drilling machines that improve efficiency and lower the cost of the final product, making it competitive in the market. Most street corner workshops have to outsource some of the services like turning bed legs, skills that will not be available to their apprentices while trainees in the TIVET will be exposed to these from as early as the craft stage. The TIVET institution offers a centralized place where all the modern equipment is concentrated for training.


I think that you are placing blame on the wrong demographic. It is not a problem of class but of lack of foresight and co-ordination between planners. The problem is with curriculum developers who sometimes do not work in tandem with economists. They should be able to determine which sectors of the economy will need which skills in five, ten or twenty years.
For some time, for example, there was stigma attached to technical work with most young people opting to go and do "soft" liberal arts courses. As a result, even as late as five years ago you couldn't get a good plumber or electrical craftsman when you needed one.
Numbers are picking up as the government continues to popularize technical education in TIVETs as opposed to young people joining the aviation colleges to study mass communication. It will be well.

Mzae you cannot compare an apprentice of a professional Fundi na wale huwa churned out na rivets,if you don't believe me tafuta mmoja WA tivet na mwingine WA kuwa Fundi through experience ,wapatie kazi inatoshana,kuja na report

 

[Mwalimu-G]

rivets

Wacha madharau ndugu. But I know what you mean but you have ignored that part about exposure to machines.

 

[Clemens]

Wacha madharau ndugu. But I know what you mean but you have ignored that part about exposure to machines.

To some the loss of mundu wa moko and transformation of the the same to a more qualified person with the requisite documentation is still a quagmire that won't be solved in the near future..

 

[Giggz]

stolen from wandia njoya fb

I was in conversation with a young Kenyan about education. So the young Kenyan says: TVET would be good for young Kenyans to avoid unemployment, because I've seen the advantage it has brought to young people at home.
So I ask: can you give an example?
The Kenyan says: there was a young man who went to TVET for a capentry course, but couldn't complete due to lack of fees. So he went and worked under another fundi to complete his skills, and now he's working and earning a living. So TVET can help young people.
Then I said: actually that story is not about TVET. It's about the need for apprenticeships. If the young man learned his skills well enough under another fundi to do the work, then we should be allowing apprenticeships to be a form of qualification.
Offer qualifying exams the way we do for driving. People go sit the test, if they pass, they get a certificate, instead of insisting that the certificate must come from a college. And the point isn't to say "you can't do fundi work unless you have a license and passed the exam." A driving license is not proof that you are a good and experienced driver. It is that you know the basics about signs and keeping left. That's why PSV drivers have to have driven for a while.
So people cynically sneering at the driving test are people who miss the point of skills. Skills are improved with practice over time. Not with classrooms and certificates. That's why the TVET discourse is so dishonest. The middle class deludes itself that fundis are made by schools rather than by practice and expert mentorship.
*
This here, is why I've been saying that the school system educates us to be so narrow minded and unable to think outside the schooling system. Why can't we have other forms of qualification for professional skills, other than going to a college or a school? That's the question which the 3% refuse to ask, and refuse to answer. The 3% are taught to treat colonial education like religion, so they treat skills gained outside the school system like religious zealots treat blasphemy.
The other day I heard about how expensive it is to be admitted to the bar. There are no KUCCPs bursaries for the poor to study for the LLB at the university, but not for them to attend Kenya School of Law. And every year the advocates pay 20k. What else is that other than gatekeeping and denying access to the poor to become lawyers? And making legal fees artificially expensive?
I hope 98% Kenyans realize that the middle class is full of bs. Middle class doesn't care about "quality" education or a curriculum relevant to the market. What they really care about is gatekeeping. That's why they are lining up at bookshops to buy frivolous books for CBC.

We are taught to be workers/slaves not employers, to be dependants.