Guatemala kumenuka

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The 2021 budget was rushed through in the middle of the night, with huge cuts to social services and specifically huge cuts to the efforts to curb malnutrition in the country, which is EXTREMELY high (up to 80% of kids in certain places). 2 storms just destroyed the country too.
People took to the streets and burned up congress. We need these reactions in kenya.

 
JazzMan said:
Wandia Njoya mentioned that people between 40 and 55 were neutered by Moi to such an extent that they'd rather live with a boot on their necks than take on the political class.
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In Africa rebellion doesn't go the way it's planned, Guatemala is an almost homogeneous society, hapa Kenya a revolution would lead to ethnic cleansing and retaliation attacks. We are walking on eggshells with our fragile peace.
 
Clemens said:
In Africa rebellion doesn't go the way it's planned, Guatemala is an almost homogeneous society, hapa Kenya a revolution would lead to ethnic cleansing and retaliation attacks. We are walking on eggshells with our fragile peace.
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And you can't predict the outcome when the mobs take control. Even Sudan is still struggling almost two years since the protests against Bashir started.
 
Clemens said:
In Africa rebellion doesn't go the way it's planned, Guatemala is an almost homogeneous society, hapa Kenya a revolution would lead to ethnic cleansing and retaliation attacks. We are walking on eggshells with our fragile peace.
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Guatemala is not homogenous. There are the indigenous peoples like the Mayans, and Xincas, there are the Garifuna who are descendants of Africans and other mixed heritage and the ladinos, descendants of whites and americans. These are just but a few.

What has been achieved here is unity of purpose, regardless of where they come from. They sorted out their issues and now have gone after the problem.

Here in Kenya, it is the leaders who divide us. Have you ever asked yourself why the greatest clashes only happen in election years?

Once Kenyans realise who the problem is, the things we face will be solved very quickly, but instead of taking the right steps, we'd rather hide behind sayings like rebellion in Africa doesn't go as planned.
 
JazzMan said:
Guatemala is not homogenous. There are the indigenous peoples like the Mayans, and Xincas, there are the Garifuna who are descendants of Africans and other mixed heritage and the ladinos, descendants of whites and americans. These are just but a few.

What has been achieved here is unity of purpose, regardless of where they come from. They sorted out their issues and now have gone after the problem.

Here in Kenya, it is the leaders who divide us. Have you ever asked yourself why the greatest clashes only happen in election years?

Once Kenyans realise who the problem is, the things we face will be solved very quickly, but instead of taking the right steps, we'd rather hide behind sayings like rebellion in Africa doesn't go as planned.
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Seems you didn't see the word ALMOST before homogeneous, I have been around the block and can tell you that politics is used as a scapegoat in violence among ethnicities, example you said you are a Tachoni? Why were Kikuyus evicted from Webuye and its vicinity, while we know tachonis and other Luhyas have never had a political candidate in campaigns?
 
Anglututu said:
We do not want this, yes. Do we need it? Is the debate.
A peaceful non violent option is better.
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What we need in Kenya is electing leaders who have the country at heart, starting at the ward level, do you vote for the guy who bought a nomination certificate from the most popular party in your areas. Or an independent candidate who has performed well as a BOM chair of a local school ensuring diligent use of school funds? Someone who will put the power that be to task, not the 'suit' candidates who will always toe the line since their first loyalty is to their pockets and party.
I know that's the best peaceful(which is the same as non violent, but let me not engage in semantics) option available to us.
 
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Clemens said:
Seems you didn't see the word ALMOST before homogeneous,
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Guatemala is not almost homegenous. They have different ethnic groups. Even if they were homogenous, man would still find something to separate themselves, like religion.

Clemens said:
Why were Kikuyus evicted from Webuye and its vicinity, while we know tachonis and other Luhyas have never had a political candidate in campaigns?
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Are Tachonis the majority community in Webuye or is it the Bukusu?

Your question actually proves my point. Why would Luhyas, who up to that point, had been living peacefully with kikuyus, suddenly decide to run them out?
 
JazzMan said:
Guatemala is not almost homegenous. They have different ethnic groups. Even if they were homogenous, man would still find something to separate themselves, like religion.


Are Tachonis the majority community in Webuye or is it the Bukusu?

Your question actually proves my point. Why would Luhyas, who up to that point, had been living peacefully with kikuyus, suddenly decide to run them out?
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Exactly homogeneity is not about being the same, but applies to a broad spectrum of political, social and economic shared values not just ethnicity.
Back to your point, they didn't suddenly decide to run them out, the hostility undercurrent were and still are present, they are just waiting for a tipping point i.e your suggested taking up with the political class, since I can't hit the Kenyatta's, Odinga's, Moi's, Khaniri's, Nyachae's and Mutula's, I will hit at my neighbor who happens to be Kama, Oti, Kipu, Wafs, mogaks and musyoks.
 
Clemens said:
Exactly homogeneity is not about being the same, but applies to a broad spectrum of political, social and economic shared values not just ethnicity.
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Hapa umetuenjoy kidogo. Homogeneity i.e uniformity.

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What you are describing is unity of purpose, not homogeneity. The differences in class, education levels and other metrics means there is no truly homogenous society, but if there is one thing that cuts across all those groups, that is what they will use to unite.

In Guatemala's case, it is the poor, the students and the working class that are leading this revolt against the political class.





After they have achieved what they set out collectively to do, they will settle back into their groups. The relationship they maintain afterwards is what will determine the success of what they set out to do.

Clemens said:
Back to your point, they didn't suddenly decide to run them out, the hostility undercurrent were and still are present, they are just waiting for a tipping point
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Why does this tipping point happen during elections only? Can't it happen at any other time like with the pastoralists?
 
:D Naona umeleta mpaka dictionary, let me return the favour.
Latent hostility or latent aggression is an hypothesized psychological state in which aggressive thoughts or fantasies exist in a hidden form and may make potential aggression more likely. Elections provide a convenient scapegoat to settle socioeconomic scores while blaming politics.

Let's agree that we have irreconcilable differences of perspectives. And leave it at that, have a good day.

JazzMan said:
Hapa umetuenjoy kidogo. Homogeneity i.e uniformity.

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What you are describing is unity of purpose, not homogeneity. The differences in class, education levels and other metrics means there is no truly homogenous society, but if there is one thing that cuts across all those groups, that is what they will use to unite.

In Guatemala's case, it is the poor, the students and the working class that are leading this revolt against the political class.





After they have achieved what they set out collectively to do, they will settle back into their groups. The relationship they maintain afterwards is what will determine the success of what they set out to do.


Why does this tipping point happen during elections only? Can't it happen at any other time like with the pastoralists?
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Clemens said:
:D Naona umeleta mpaka dictionary, let me return the favour.
Latent hostility or latent aggression is an hypothesized psychological state in which aggressive thoughts or fantasies exist in a hidden form and may make potential aggression more likely. Elections provide a convenient scapegoat to settle socioeconomic scores while blaming politics.

Let's agree that we have irreconcilable differences of perspectives. And leave it at that, have a good day.
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Just a conversation I had nothing to do with





 
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JazzMan said:
Wandia Njoya mentioned that people between 40 and 55 were neutered by Moi to such an extent that they'd rather live with a boot on their necks than take on the political class.
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Eaah, this defination is just on point, folks like @Mwalimu-G would rather look the other way than speak up or even acknowledge that the political class is wrong
 
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